ATI 690G/x1250 problems (1 Viewer)

[petsa]

Hi D3trius,

I also had problems with X1250 integrated graphics a while back and decided to go for the NVidia 8600GT Silent. Have not tested it with 1080p but it works very nicely with HW acc for 720p (h264 TV). CPU (C2D) run at about 5% for HDTV since all decoding is done in gfx card.

/Peter

 

[Lotsofjazz]

Hey guys. I'm the unlucky owner of an Asus M2A-VM HDMI motherboard. I've been having the same problems as everyone else but just can't get things stable, even at 720p. I've tried the 7.2 Catalyst drivers but still have some freezing issues. This just isn't good enough, imo, and I've decided to drop some cash on a graphics card. Obviously, I don't want to touch ATI cards with a bargepole right now, so an nVidia card would be good. Could anyone recommend one that will work both silently and well at 1080p on Windows XP SP2? I'm just running a media centre, no games whatsoever so there's no need for anything higher end like an 8800GT. Suggestions welcomed.

A solution, but a little rigorous for getting a minor feature to work.. There are some skins that dont use the reflection features and work fine with XP and the X1250.. before I went over to Vista I used Project Mahem III as a skin and worked fine.

But if you have a big full HD TV, that REALLY can display 1080P (be warned some shops sell HD ready TV's as full HD, because they can handle a 1080P signal and convert it to 1080i.. this is false information) then it is certainly worth to get a card that can output 1080p.

Note that also Nvidea have their issues (check the forum)

BTW, I jumped over to Vista and now everything works so much better then with XP!

lots

 

[D3tritus]

Petsa: Thanks, I'll take a look.
Lotsofjazz: I have a Samsung LE40F86. It is capable of full 1080p and that's why I built my HTPC based on the Asus M2A-VM.

I have things stable in 720p now. I'm using the 8.2 catalysts and the Replicant Vista skin with Flipy removed. It's not the lack of reflections that bothers me, it's the fact that I can't run in full 1080p without random flicker in the display. This isn't frequent, it's typically every one or two minutes. It is frequent enough, however, to bug the heck out of me. Everything else about the system is great but flicker in video output is simply not good enough for an HTPC device, imo.

 

[Lotsofjazz]

Petsa: Thanks, I'll take a look.
Lotsofjazz: I have a Samsung LE40F86. It is capable of full 1080p and that's why I built my HTPC based on the Asus M2A-VM.

I have things stable in 720p now. I'm using the 8.2 catalysts and the Replicant Vista skin with Flipy removed. It's not the lack of reflections that bothers me, it's the fact that I can't run in full 1080p without random flicker in the display. This isn't frequent, it's typically every one or two minutes. It is frequent enough, however, to bug the heck out of me. Everything else about the system is great but flicker in video output is simply not good enough for an HTPC device, imo.

Wow, that is a very nice TV you have!

The flicker can also be caused by a busy Harddrive if you have other programs run in the background they can cause the movie to halt for a brief moment.. I have it when in the background a movie is downloading from usenet and a completed rar file is decoded and written to the download folder.. Also a virusscanner can cause this behavior or the automatic updates from windows.

But with the nice TV you have, investment in a much better graphics card would be worth the money, the X1250 can put out 1080i@30Hz or 25Hz at the most so that would be the maximum you could have on your TV.. So look for a graphics card with HDMI/DVI output at 1080P@50Hz which will bring you the best possible display quality. With your TV the 50Hz will be upgraded to 100Hz at the display, so that should give you really smooth playbackl of movies without the usual ghosting during fast movements.

For me an investment in a new graphics card is less feasible because my TV cant display 1080P, it can display 1080i@30Hz, but with the 30Hz I introduce the tearing problem.. It cant display at 1080i@25Hz.. well it does, when I force the TV to do it, but does it very poorly because the TV is not really designed to do it.. sometimes it even shuts down when trying to display 1080i@25Hz. So that is why 720P@50Hz is at the moment the best option for me, and the X1250 is very capable to handle this format.

Lots

 

[collaborator]

I have Philips 42pfl9632/d10 which is capable to receive 1080i/1080p 60Mhz

When i select the PC input from my tv , it reports 1080p but according to your statment x1250 is not capable to put 1080p out

how come ?

Petsa: Thanks, I'll take a look.
Lotsofjazz: I have a Samsung LE40F86. It is capable of full 1080p and that's why I built my HTPC based on the Asus M2A-VM.

I have things stable in 720p now. I'm using the 8.2 catalysts and the Replicant Vista skin with Flipy removed. It's not the lack of reflections that bothers me, it's the fact that I can't run in full 1080p without random flicker in the display. This isn't frequent, it's typically every one or two minutes. It is frequent enough, however, to bug the heck out of me. Everything else about the system is great but flicker in video output is simply not good enough for an HTPC device, imo.

Wow, that is a very nice TV you have!

The flicker can also be caused by a busy Harddrive if you have other programs run in the background they can cause the movie to halt for a brief moment.. I have it when in the background a movie is downloading from usenet and a completed rar file is decoded and written to the download folder.. Also a virusscanner can cause this behavior or the automatic updates from windows.

But with the nice TV you have, investment in a much better graphics card would be worth the money, the X1250 can put out 1080i@30Hz or 25Hz at the most so that would be the maximum you could have on your TV.. So look for a graphics card with HDMI/DVI output at 1080P@50Hz which will bring you the best possible display quality. With your TV the 50Hz will be upgraded to 100Hz at the display, so that should give you really smooth playbackl of movies without the usual ghosting during fast movements.

For me an investment in a new graphics card is less feasible because my TV cant display 1080P, it can display 1080i@30Hz, but with the 30Hz I introduce the tearing problem.. It cant display at 1080i@25Hz.. well it does, when I force the TV to do it, but does it very poorly because the TV is not really designed to do it.. sometimes it even shuts down when trying to display 1080i@25Hz. So that is why 720P@50Hz is at the moment the best option for me, and the X1250 is very capable to handle this format.

Lots

 

[Lotsofjazz]

I have Philips 42pfl9632/d10 which is capable to receive 1080i/1080p 60Mhz

When i select the PC input from my tv , it reports 1080p but according to your statment x1250 is not capable to put 1080p out

how come ?

First, PC monitor resolution is not equal to TV resolution, so if you check HDTV (HDMI) settings you will see 1080i is the max HDTV format it can support. VGA/DVI resolution can be more, that is true, but strange your TV PC input reports it as 1080P, better would be 1920x1080 or something.

This is what the ATI X1250 website specs say:

TV Out
An integrated TV encoder from ATI’s Xilleon™ products, with an on-chip DAC.
Supports Macrovision 7.1 copy protection standard (required by DVD players).
Supports all standard resolutions for RGB-based TVs.
Supports the following formats of YPbPr component output: 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, and 1080i.

DVI/HDMI
Integrated DVI or HDMI 1.2 interface: single-link support only for HDMI‡, 30-bit dual-link support for DVI.
1650 Mbps/channel† with 165 MHz† pixel clock rate per link.
HDCP 1.1 support on data stream with on-chip key storage*

more infor here: ATI Radeon™ Xpress 1250 (for Intel)

The specs of my Motherboard (Abit fatal1ty I90HD) including the X1250 radeon chipset, also advertise HDMI at 1080i max:

Universal abit > Motherboard, Digital Speakers, iDome, AirPace, Multimedia


So that is how I come to that statement..

Lots

 

[Valdemar]

First, PC monitor resolution is not equal to TV resolution, so if you check HDTV (HDMI) settings you will see 1080i is the max HDTV format it can support. VGA/DVI resolution can be more, that is true, but strange your TV PC input reports it as 1080P, better would be 1920x1080 or something.

This is what the ATI X1250 website specs say:

TV Out
An integrated TV encoder from ATI’s Xilleon™ products, with an on-chip DAC.
Supports Macrovision 7.1 copy protection standard (required by DVD players).
Supports all standard resolutions for RGB-based TVs.
Supports the following formats of YPbPr component output: 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, and 1080i.

DVI/HDMI
Integrated DVI or HDMI 1.2 interface: single-link support only for HDMI‡, 30-bit dual-link support for DVI.
1650 Mbps/channel† with 165 MHz† pixel clock rate per link.
HDCP 1.1 support on data stream with on-chip key storage*

more infor here: ATI Radeon™ Xpress 1250 (for Intel)

The specs of my Motherboard (Abit fatal1ty I90HD) including the X1250 radeon chipset, also advertise HDMI at 1080i max:

Universal abit > Motherboard, Digital Speakers, iDome, AirPace, Multimedia


So that is how I come to that statement..

Lots

Isn't it the component connection limitation rather than that of the x1250 graphics itself? Here is one mobo which claims 1080p support over HDMI:

ASUS M2A-VM HDMI 690G Motherboard - HotHardware

 

[Lotsofjazz]

First, PC monitor resolution is not equal to TV resolution, so if you check HDTV (HDMI) settings you will see 1080i is the max HDTV format it can support. VGA/DVI resolution can be more, that is true, but strange your TV PC input reports it as 1080P, better would be 1920x1080 or something.

This is what the ATI X1250 website specs say:

TV Out
An integrated TV encoder from ATI’s Xilleon™ products, with an on-chip DAC.
Supports Macrovision 7.1 copy protection standard (required by DVD players).
Supports all standard resolutions for RGB-based TVs.
Supports the following formats of YPbPr component output: 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, and 1080i.

DVI/HDMI
Integrated DVI or HDMI 1.2 interface: single-link support only for HDMI‡, 30-bit dual-link support for DVI.
1650 Mbps/channel† with 165 MHz† pixel clock rate per link.
HDCP 1.1 support on data stream with on-chip key storage*

more infor here: ATI Radeon™ Xpress 1250 (for Intel)

The specs of my Motherboard (Abit fatal1ty I90HD) including the X1250 radeon chipset, also advertise HDMI at 1080i max:

Universal abit > Motherboard, Digital Speakers, iDome, AirPace, Multimedia


So that is how I come to that statement..

Lots

Isn't it the component connection limitation rather than that of the x1250 graphics itself? Here is one mobo which claims 1080p support over HDMI:

ASUS M2A-VM HDMI 690G Motherboard - HotHardware

As I understand from the Asus specs above, that 1920x1080P at the HDMI is a Monitor resolution (pixel by pixel), not a TV resolution format (YUV, RGB, etc), In the same specs you can see that on TV Out you get max 1080i. It allso says that playback of 1080P HD material may not be smooth when watched on a 1920x1080P monitor.

So you can have a 1920x1080P MONITOR, but realize that this is not exactly in a TV/Video Format, the screen is just build up in a different way.. Of course you can watch HD movies on that when using a player that can handle this (PowerDVD Ultra deluxe(7.3)) and probably get a a good quality picture, but it is noit really HDTV.. It would not surprize me that when using Your TV as a real TV and set the HDMI to 1080i HDTV resolution you get a much better quality picture, just because your TV is better suited to this resolution and not really made to display 1920x1080P MONITOR resolution. Trial and error, and you will see what is best for you. Even more.. when using the 1080P PC input on your TV you do NOT get the 100Hz, because that only works on HD or SD TV 50Hz formats.

You might even come to the conclusion that playing a PC game, you want to use your TV as a Monitor and set it to 1080P PC input, while watching a HD movie you like HDTV 1080i@50Hz better because then the 100Hz interpolation in your TV kicks in as well. Just play with it in the Catalyst software.. I do it also with my TV, with movies I use the HDMI at 720P50Hz.. doing PC stuff like typing this message on the internet, I set it to the VGA 1024x768 resolution, text is then better readable, sharper and no white shades around the edges. But with movies the PC input is terrible, if it was only for the misforming, you do not want to keep the PC resolution.

But as I said, you should just try the different setups and tweak them to suit your TV best, highest resolution is not allways the best, like I found out with my TV as well.

Lots

 

[7of9]

Hi, I also have the problems as mentioned in the post before. I have also the ASUS M2A-VM HDMI. I went back to the ati 7.11 drivers and did the flip remove trick with no results. The only solution left is installing Vista I guess?

For your information, I tried xp pro and xp mce. MCE is another drama with the ASUS mobo. If I want to play a movie or TV (NVIDIA DUALTV) the system is telling me "Your video card or drivers are not compatible with Media Center" although I was able to watch TV one time. Maybe the problem with MCE is also related to the MP problem

Your video card or drivers are not compatible with Media Center - Google zoeken

 

[Spragleknas]

Try DL-ing a modified skin (or XML-files). It might be that you did not succeed removing all FlipY's. For example, "Search and replace master" is unable to modify XML's on a network computer due to files being write protected (when using simple sharing).

Also: Using 7.2 (or prev.) there is no need to remove flipY