[confirm] - Bring back "restart un resume" functionality | Page 6

Discussion in '1.4.0 Pre-Release' started by Requiem, May 28, 2013.

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    I would prefer #7
    • work with us to resolve the problems
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    in my case the problem is that my Matrix Orbital GX doesn't wake up properly. Restart on resume was the solution. It would be nice to hear WHY this option has gone down. If there is a good reason, I am ready to respect that.

    I submitted the logs long time ago, but the thread below is dead despite other people with other minidisplays confirmed same problems:

    https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/threads/minidisplay-plugin-doesnt-wake-up-after-sleep.116191/

    https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/...sume-functionality.119308/page-2#post-1006309


     
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    Refer to my posts earlier in the thread. In short it was a design decision. We don't want workaround in our code unless we (1) know what they are there for and (2) don't have other options for solving the problems.

    As azzuro correctly stated: the minidisplay plugin is effectively not maintained. Nobody is working on it; nobody is fixing bugs for it. I have never had a minidisplay which makes it very difficult for me to help you. Regardless, I've looked at your log files and I don't see any indication of a problem. In other words, you're going to have to provide much more specific information about exactly what happens after resume and when it happens. Much as I hate to say it, I also recommend you enable extensive logging... and post a fresh set of logs using MP 1.6 PR.
     
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    I will try collect new logs and post them into original thread.

    The best way is to get the real device. Whoever developer is willing to resolve this could ask Matrix Orbital to send them a free GX minidisplay. I know they used to send them to serious developers in the past. Don't be shy, just send them an e-mail, explain your role and the reason.

    And if not, maybe Chemelli can lend you one, or maybe you could just buy directly from MO? ($99.95 currently). Believe me, this is a beautiful device with a lot of potential, and waking up is the only problem I noticed. Here is the link:

    http://www.matrixorbital.com/index.php?cPath=40_17
     
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    I really have absolutely no interest in mini displays and little time to dedicate to this problem, so I'll wait for your log files but beyond that... no promises. Please don't forget the extra information regarding timing and exactly what you see - I'm talking "I saw abc displayed for three seconds at 19:48:32" etc. etc. etc. I've already taken a quick look at the code but I really doubt that I'm going to be able to assist with this unless there is something obvious in the new logs.
     
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    While I understand the design decision for MediaPortzal itself, there are other reasons to leave that option that cannot be fixed even with a 100% bug-free MePo code, as there are not problems with MePo, but with external hard- and software that NEED a workaround. If I could code, I'd add it as an addon, but as I cannot, that's not a possibility for me.
    So, maybe there's someone on the team who would like to bnring this back as an optional plug in - then everybody would be happy. MePo does not use workarounds and people who depend on a restart for other reasons can use a plugin. Someone? Please?
     
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    Are these hypothetical hardware and software issues you're talking about, or have you got real examples?
     
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    Real examples, like the problems with the minidisplay, with other hardware mentioned by other users in this thread, for myself, it's the server that needs a whilke to power up and be available after switching on the HTPC (HTPC triggers wake on lan on the server), thus throwing errors as the tv service is not available on startup.
     
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    So far as I can tell, plugin issue. This can almost certainly be solved with code changes. It is just that we don't have anyone who has the hardware and knows the code. That's unfortunate... but in my opinion, no excuse for injecting a hack.

    If you're talking about CYaBro... how can we possibly know the source of the problem when no logs have been provided? If you're talking about other people you'd need to be more specific. :)

    Clearly a software problem which should be addressed with a proper fix... like applying the WOL timeout on resume (if it isn't already).

    I guess you and I have different perspectives because I don't accept these examples as good reasons to restore the option.
    Probably there is no point in me saying any more because we clearly know each other's opinion. :)
     
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    Hello!

    Really don't understand why this option was removed?? The job was done and seems to resove many problems, why continue to explain why you don't want to add it in futur release?
    Today i found 30 minutes to test 1.6 Pre Release, i hope that it was added now, but unfortunately not..... little disapointed...

    I have many arguements in favor of the return of the option:

    Many users have diverse and varied material :
    Personally I have a Imon and often minidisplay NOT START I have an Onkyo receiver and HDMI through the amplifier and the time it starts the screen is not detected or not at the right resolution ( this is a problem that Seven take a low resolution if there is no screen connected).

    For others there are the problems with displays Blast , USB TV cards, Nvidia card and I know what?

    So do you think it is possible to solve all these problems at the source? knowing that once resolved, the equipment will be obsolete and the user has changed the TV card and / or PC and find another problem when resume?
    Do you think frankly that Microsoft , Nvidia, Imon and Onkyo or Denon concerned with Mediaportal which I think is 0.1 % of the users of their equipment ?
    Do you think they are going to update or correct their bug in the drivers and others?Think you can fix all bug from sleep all HTPC users MP ? with all possible combinations of cards and drivers , updates , etc ? ?

    So you had an option that allowed many of us to have a functional HTPC without fear of changing Equipment, hibernate, resume, you have made many unstable HTPC. Personally I must resign myself to boot my PC by General button as much as user I have no keyboard when i have a trouble! And when I explain it to my wife she said .......

    So please, turn this option!
    Or give us a script to run to make it thank you.
     
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    Hello,

    My HTPC has Hauppauge Nova-T 500 DVB-T tuner in it, which has 2 * USB tuners attached to PCI board.

    For that reason it takes alot time to initialize the USB tuners (about 20 seconds after wakeup from sleep), so as far as i know, i can't use new MP builds (still using MP 1.3 Final on main HTPC as that version still has the restart after sleep function).

    To be honest, i even havent tried MP versions above that 1.3 which i use now, cause they dont have that restart function, which i believe my tuner needs to work.

    So it would be nice to get it back...

    Btw, ofc there is program like MCE Standby Tool which should work, but its still different/not so reliable i think.


    Thanks,
    Kui :)
     
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