Which CAM for Canal Digitaal? (5 Viewers)

[mm1352000]

The TBS tuner might be more sensitive than the Digital Devices one, and that could be what allows it to lock on the signal when the Digital Devices tuner is unable to do so...

 

[Phaedra]

OK,

I moved the TBS card to the TV server, and guess what : I could lock to the troubled transponder.
Hmm.
Removed the TBS card again, and moved the DD Octopus card to another PCI slot.
And then tadaa : I could scan the missing channels again.

So we move a step ahead, and try to preview one of the channels, with the CI module completely removed, disabled, forgotten.
We get the "Channel not mapped to any card" message. This could of course be caused by the fact that the channel is encrypted (as I can see in the log), but nevertheless, the message is misleading to say the least.

Fragment of the log :

2011-05-28 16:26:51.475279 [(19)]: Controller: epg stop
2011-05-28 16:26:51.695292 [(11)]: Filter listview for
2011-05-28 16:26:55.626517 [(11)]: Finished filtering 1147 items for
2011-05-28 16:27:48.368533 [(15)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting een HD 5165
2011-05-28 16:27:48.371534 [(15)]: Controller: find free card for channel een HD
2011-05-28 16:27:48.377534 [(15)]: Controller: find card for channel een HD
2011-05-28 16:27:48.397535 [(15)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for een HD
2011-05-28 16:27:48.398535 [(15)]: Controller: channel #1 DVBS:tv:CANALDIGITAAL een HD Freq:12187000 ONID:3 TSID:3225 SID:21025 PMT:0xAA5 FTA:False LCN:5165 SymbolRate:27500 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearH InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1AA band:Universal Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet
2011-05-28 16:27:48.399535 [(15)]: Controller: card:1 typevbIP is disabled
2011-05-28 16:27:48.400535 [(15)]: Controller: card:6 type:RadioWebStream is disabled
2011-05-28 16:27:48.407536 [(15)]: Controller: card:10 typevbS channel is encrypted but card has no CAM
2011-05-28 16:27:48.408536 [(15)]: Controller: card:9 typevbS channel not mapped
2011-05-28 16:27:48.408536 [(15)]: Controller: found 0 card(s) for channel
2011-05-28 16:27:48.409536 [(15)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 31 msec
2011-05-28 16:27:48.409536 [(15)]: Controller: found 0 free card(s)
2011-05-28 16:27:48.410536 [(15)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetFreeCardsForChannel took 38 msec
2011-05-28 16:27:48.410536 [(15)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting failed:ChannelNotMappedToAnyCard
2011-05-28 16:27:52.468768 [(15)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting een 5172
2011-05-28 16:27:52.469768 [(15)]: Controller: find free card for channel een
2011-05-28 16:27:52.470768 [(15)]: Controller: find card for channel een
2011-05-28 16:27:52.471768 [(15)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for een
2011-05-28 16:27:52.472768 [(15)]: Controller: channel #1 DVBS:tv:TV Vlaanderen een Freq:12721000 ONID:53 TSID:1119 SID:12775 PMT:0x3BB FTA:False LCN:5172 SymbolRate:22000 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearH InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1BB band:Universal Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet
2011-05-28 16:27:52.473768 [(15)]: Controller: card:1 typevbIP is disabled
2011-05-28 16:27:52.473768 [(15)]: Controller: card:6 type:RadioWebStream is disabled
2011-05-28 16:27:52.475768 [(15)]: Controller: card:10 typevbS channel is encrypted but card has no CAM
2011-05-28 16:27:52.477769 [(15)]: Controller: card:9 typevbS channel not mapped
2011-05-28 16:27:52.477769 [(15)]: Controller: found 0 card(s) for channel
2011-05-28 16:27:52.478769 [(15)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 8 msec
2011-05-28 16:27:52.480769 [(15)]: Controller: found 0 free card(s)
2011-05-28 16:27:52.480769 [(15)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetFreeCardsForChannel took 11 msec
2011-05-28 16:27:52.483769 [(15)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting failed:ChannelNotMappedToAnyCard

Next step : enable the CI module again

Enabled the CI module, inserted CAM and smartcard.
Used DD config tool to assign the CI module to the correct tuner, restarted TV server.
Edited tuner in MP to enable CAM, and tried a preview of the channel mentioned above.

Result : message "no PMT found.

Log :

2011-05-28 16:49:56.138926 [(15)]: Controller: StartTimeShifting een HD 5165
2011-05-28 16:49:56.139926 [(15)]: Controller: find free card for channel een HD
2011-05-28 16:49:56.139926 [(15)]: Controller: find card for channel een HD
2011-05-28 16:49:56.141926 [(15)]: Controller: got 1 tuning details for een HD
2011-05-28 16:49:56.142926 [(15)]: Controller: channel #1 DVBS:tv:CANALDIGITAAL een HD Freq:12187000 ONID:3 TSID:3225 SID:21025 PMT:0xAA5 FTA:False LCN:5165 SymbolRate:27500 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearH InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1AA band:Universal Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet
2011-05-28 16:49:56.142926 [(15)]: Controller: card:1 typevbIP is disabled
2011-05-28 16:49:56.143926 [(15)]: Controller: card:6 type:RadioWebStream is disabled
2011-05-28 16:49:56.143926 [(15)]: Controller: card:9 typevbS is disabled
2011-05-28 16:49:56.145926 [(15)]: Controller: card:10 typevbS can tune to channel
2011-05-28 16:49:56.146926 [(15)]: Controller: card:10 typevbS users: 0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.146926 [(15)]: Controller: found 1 card(s) for channel
2011-05-28 16:49:56.147926 [(15)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetAvailableCardsForChannel took 7 msec
2011-05-28 16:49:56.148927 [(15)]: Controller: card:10 typevbS is available
2011-05-28 16:49:56.148927 [(15)]: Controller: found 1 free card(s)
2011-05-28 16:49:56.149927 [(15)]: AdvancedCardAllocation.GetFreeCardsForChannel took 9 msec
2011-05-28 16:49:56.149927 [(15)]: Controller: try max 1 of 1 cards for timeshifting
2011-05-28 16:49:56.153927 [(15)]: card: CardTune 10 een HD setuptv:10:-1
2011-05-28 16:49:56.154927 [(15)]: card: Tune 10 to een HD
2011-05-28 16:49:56.154927 [(15)]: card: user: setuptv:10:-1 tune DVBS:tv:CANALDIGITAAL een HD Freq:12187000 ONID:3 TSID:3225 SID:21025 PMT:0xAA5 FTA:False LCN:5165 SymbolRate:27500 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearH InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1AA band:Universal Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet
2011-05-28 16:49:56.163927 [(15)]: TimeShifter.OnBeforeTune: resetting audio/video events
2011-05-28 16:49:56.163927 [(15)]: dvbs: TuneVBS:tv:CANALDIGITAAL een HD Freq:12187000 ONID:3 TSID:3225 SID:21025 PMT:0xAA5 FTA:False LCN:5165 SymbolRate:27500 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearH InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1AA band:Universal Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet
2011-05-28 16:49:56.164927 [(15)]: dvbs: TuneVBS:tv:CANALDIGITAAL een HD Freq:12187000 ONID:3 TSID:3225 SID:21025 PMT:0xAA5 FTA:False LCN:5165 SymbolRate:27500 Modulation:ModNotSet Polarisation:LinearH InnerFecRate:Rate5_6 DisEqc:Level1AA band:Universal Pilot:NotSet RollOff:NotSet
2011-05-28 16:49:56.164927 [(15)]: dvb:GetNewSubChannel:0 #0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.167928 [(15)]: TvDvbChannel ctor new subchIndex:0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.168928 [(15)]: LNB low:9750 hi:10600 switch:11700
2011-05-28 16:49:56.168928 [(15)]: dvbs:channel modulation is set to ModNotSet
2011-05-28 16:49:56.169928 [(15)]: dvbs:channel FECRate is set to Rate5_6
2011-05-28 16:49:56.169928 [(15)]: Digital Devices: Level1AA - SendDiSEqCCommand(0x00)
2011-05-28 16:49:56.169928 [(15)]: Digital Devices: SendDiSEqC Command 0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.170928 [(15)]: Digital Devices: put_Range:0 success:0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.170928 [(15)]: Digital Devices: CommitChanges() Succeeded
2011-05-28 16:49:56.274934 [(15)]: dvbubmiting tunerequest Channel:een HD subChannel:0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.275934 [(15)]: dvb:using existing subchannel:0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.275934 [(15)]: dvbubmit tunerequest size:1 new:0
2011-05-28 16:49:56.276934 [(15)]: subch:0 OnBeforeTune
2011-05-28 16:49:56.277934 [(15)]: dvbubmit tunerequest calling put_TuneRequest
2011-05-28 16:49:56.280934 [(15)]: dvbubmit tunerequest done calling put_TuneRequest
2011-05-28 16:49:56.281934 [(15)]: subch:0 OnAfterTune
2011-05-28 16:49:56.282934 [(15)]: RunGraph
2011-05-28 16:49:56.283934 [(15)]: subch:0 OnGraphStart
2011-05-28 16:49:56.283934 [(15)]: dvb: RunGraph
2011-05-28 16:49:56.512947 [(15)]: dvb: LockedInOnSignal ok
2011-05-28 16:49:56.513947 [(15)]: subch:0 OnGraphStarted
2011-05-28 16:49:56.514947 [(15)]: subch:0 SetupPmtGrabberid AA5 sid:5221
2011-05-28 16:49:56.514947 [(15)]: subch:0 set pmt grabber pmt:AA5 sid:5221
2011-05-28 16:49:56.515948 [(15)]: TimeShifter.OnAfterTune: resetting audio/video time
2011-05-28 16:49:56.516948 [(15)]: WaitForPMT: Waiting for PMT AA5
2011-05-28 16:50:06.517520 [(15)]: WaitForPMT: Timed out waiting for PMT after 10,000572 seconds. Increase the PMT timeout value?
2011-05-28 16:50:06.518520 [(15)]: Setting to 0 to search for new PMT.
2011-05-28 16:50:06.519520 [(15)]: subch:0 SetupPmtGrabberid 0 sid:5221
2011-05-28 16:50:06.519520 [(15)]: subch:0 set pmt grabber pmt:0 sid:5221
2011-05-28 16:50:06.520520 [(15)]: TimeShifter.OnAfterTune: resetting audio/video time
2011-05-28 16:50:06.521520 [(15)]: WaitForPMT: Waiting for PMT 0
2011-05-28 16:50:16.522092 [(15)]: WaitForPMT: Timed out waiting for PMT after 10,000572 seconds. Increase the PMT timeout value?
2011-05-28 16:50:16.523092 [(15)]: Setting to 0 to search for new PMT.
2011-05-28 16:50:16.524092 [(15)]: tvcard:FreeSubChannel: subchannels count 1 subch#0 keep graph=False
2011-05-28 16:50:16.524092 [(15)]: DVB subch:0 Decompose()
2011-05-28 16:50:16.527092 [(15)]: FreeSubChannel CA: freeing sub channel : 0
2011-05-28 16:50:16.528092 [(15)]: tvcard:FreeSubChannel : no subchannels present, pausing graph
2011-05-28 16:50:16.528092 [(15)]: dvbauseGraph called
2011-05-28 16:50:16.529092 [(15)]: tvcard:FreeAllSubChannels
2011-05-28 16:50:16.529092 [(15)]: dvbauseGraph
2011-05-28 16:50:16.531092 [(15)]: card2:setuptv 10 -1
2011-05-28 16:50:16.531092 [(15)]: Controller: setuptv 10 -1

I tried increasing the PMT timeout to 15 sec., but same result.

P.S. just for your info :
I can access the CI menu from both the DD config tool and from MP.
For me, this means at the very least that the CI module is connected well and that the smartcard can be read from (i.e. not inserted backwards or anything like that).

 

[Phaedra]

Update :

added the logs again, because I noticed something in the error.log file

 

[glenn 1990]

Maybe you can test your card and cam with other software, to be shure this is not mediaportal related.
I'm using" for the record" 1.6 (Argus tuner), it fully supports the cine s2.

Another question I was asking myself :
the standard CI module of my provider can be used in their certified PVR receivers. This requires MTD too, wouldn't it ?
The PVR function allows for one channel to be recorded while another one can be viewed.
If this CI module doesn't support MTD, then how come it works in their certified PVR machines ?

Most receivers I know, will record programs encrypted and they will be decryted when you start watching it,
so there is no need for MTD here.

 

[Phaedra]

Thanks for the tip.

I installed FTR 1.6.0.0 and configured it to scan Astra 19.2.
When the CI module was enabled and inserted, I could see signal level and quality near 100%, but nevertheless I always got a "No signal" message.
I then pulled the CAM from the CI interface, to see services effectively being found.
Except for my provider channels.
Sweeping through the list of frequencies for 19.2 however, I noticed that none of the frequencies from my provider channel list are in the list.
For instance, one of my channels is on 12721 ; FTR only scans on 12722.
How can I update / alter the list of frequencies for this satellite ?

What this excercise proves so far, however, is that my CAM seems to be making it impossible to get any signal through the tuners ?
When I discussed this same behaviour with Digital Devices support, they came to the following conclusion :

Then your Hardware is OK. The problem must be at the CAM. If CI is connected, all streams go over the CI. If the CI would be broken, then you would have problems with AND without the CAM.

When I try a manual recording of a scrambled channel, I get the message "The service's PMT was not found".
This is similar to the Mediaportal behaviour.

 

[glenn 1990]

I can scan the tv vlaanderen channels with my cine s2, what shows the cine s2 logreader.

This is how it should look.

30/05/2011 23:05:24 DDTuner Device 001:10000: Tune success DVB-S Tuner 1
     Version     = 4
     Error       =       00000000
     Frequency   =     12.422.000
     Multiplyer  =          1.000
     LNBLow      =      9.750.000
     LNBHigh     =     10.600.000
     LNBSwitch   =     11.700.000
     Polarity    =              1
     Range       =       00000000
     LNBSource   =            0FF
     L-Frequency =  1.822.000.000
     LockStatus  =              5
     Offset      =       -559.296
     [COLOR="Red"]S/N         =            134
     Quality     =            100
     Strength    =             64[/COLOR]
     SymbolRate  =     27.500.000

S/N must be at least 10.

 

[Phaedra]

For some strange reason, I have the same scanning behaviour in FTR as in MP :
- when I do a complete scan for Atra 19.2, my TVV channels are missing
- when I do a manual scan on the frequencies in the TVV channel list, I do get the channels.

The DD logreader doesn't seem to do anything at all when I start it, so I can't check any numbers. But the signal strength and quality as indicated by the tuner is 100% and more than 90% respectively during the scan.


So we're back at the point where I ended up with MP : I can scan the channels as long as the CAM is not inserted.

When I tune the channel for preview or recording, the behaviour is also identical in both programs :
- without the CAM module, I get the message "channel is scrambled"
- with the CAM module, I get the message "No PMT found"

So the CAM seems to be in the way for both programs for some reason, totally unclear to me (or anyone else here for that matter).
DD support says it can't do anything about it, I just have to try a different CAM, and take a gamble on which one I should buy this time.

As far as I have read on this forum, the Aston 2.2 seems a safer bet than the others ; it surely supports the Mediaguard encryption TVV uses, and it seems to support MTD, judging from the messages I read.

 

[glenn 1990]

The DD logreader doesn't seem to do anything at all when I start it, so I can't check any numbers. But the signal strength and quality as indicated by the tuner is 100% and more than 90% respectively during the scan.
.

The logreader should create a tunerlog.txt file on your desktop with the tuning results,
these results are much more reliable than the FTR of MP ones.

 

[mm1352000]

Hi again Phaedra

This may be a dumb question, but have you tried removing the CAM while you're scanning, and then putting it back in when the scan finishes and you're ready to test the channels? Maybe you're saying that the channels don't get picked up at all with MP even with the CAM out?

 

[Phaedra]

Hi again mm,

that's exactly how I did it.
I scanned for channels with the CAM removed, inserted the CAM again and then tried to preview or timeshift the channels.

Without the CAM inserted, I can scan for channels (even though I have to manually scan for certain frequencies a second time before some channels are found).