1080i material not deinterlacing under 1.0.1.0 (1 Viewer)

[tourettes]

XP users seem to have more problem than vista. Not sure why, you'd think that vista being more resource hungry would run slower.

Vista being bad OS is just something people that aren't having good technical background have "invented". Something that THE INTERNET has declared as truth. Good that W7 has received good public opinion so we can really get rid of legacy XP and all it's technical limitations...

Just a reminder, not a posting that tries to start some stupid OS flame wars. Anyone who wants to disagree that Vista is bad please start your browser on osnews.com

 

[pilehave]

W7 is everything that Vista should have been.

I really don't see what "technical" limitations XP has in terms of video/audio playback. Sure, no DXVA2 but that's more a theoretical limitation than a practical one.

To me a OS should be as transparent as possible and leave as much CPU-time and space (HDD and RAM) to the actual application, rather than eating 2 GB of RAM "just in case" you wanted to start Notepad ½ a second faster.

But hey, in a world of developers that just blames "old" hardware like 780G boards with dual-core cpu's for not being able to deinterlace a simple 1080i stream the truth is always relative...

 

[Callumgw]

Testing the clip on a Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz with onboard Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M using PowerDVD8 (video) + ffdshow (audio) gives me around 25 fps resulting in a jerky picture (low framerate, jitter) like this (I know that the card is slow, but was just testing out):

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Is this the same picture that other with "to low" specs get?

thats the type of image I'm getting with an ATI HD4350, Dual core 2.2Ghz and 2Gb ram and a 1080i picture out of a Hauppauge HVR1300. Latest ATI/Haup drivers installed and running XP-SP3
I'm using the 4350 because it has HDMI with audio and no fan. Had a look for a better HDMI/Audio/Fanless card and can't find one easily. I can only see a Sapphire 4670, but it's not in most of the local stores. Reluctant to throw more money at it on the chance that it fixes.

I understand that fixing problems does create others sometimes, but I must express my disappointment that the answer for a sizeable portion of the community is "tough luck, go spend money".
I really do like MP and have encouraged lots of friend to take it up, but I get the feeling I'll be reverting to 1.0 and watching for a replacement whilst apologising profusely to all those I convinced to use it.

Dev's I'd really like you to reconsider this issue and solve it.

C

 

[pilehave]

Callumgw
I went looking for passive cards earlier (gave it up because of the extra 80W) and found a few 4550's that were both low-profile (I have no room for full-height myself) and passive cooled.

You might wanna look at a Sapphire RADEON HD 4550 and similar. Its kinda cheap (Around €40 in Denmark).

 

[Callumgw]

@Callumgw
I went looking for passive cards earlier (gave it up because of the extra 80W) and found a few 4550's that were both low-profile (I have no room for full-height myself) and passive cooled.

You might wanna look at a Sapphire RADEON HD 4550 and similar. Its kinda cheap (Around €40 in Denmark).

Thanks, but kkorzma's comments on pg7 and 13 suggest that a ATI HD4550 isn't strong enough for the new "improved" rendering method. I'm only guessing that a ATI HD4670 is bare minimum which disappointing because it suggests a machine that's only 1 year old can't cope.

Actually, I'm not an expert at any of this so can some one confirm, do I need to revert the TV server component, the Client component or both?
C

 

[ichessblumen]

@Callumgw
I went looking for passive cards earlier (gave it up because of the extra 80W) and found a few 4550's that were both low-profile (I have no room for full-height myself) and passive cooled.

You might wanna look at a Sapphire RADEON HD 4550 and similar. Its kinda cheap (Around €40 in Denmark).

Thanks, but kkorzma's comments on pg7 and 13 suggest that a ATI HD4550 isn't strong enough for the new "improved" rendering method. I'm only guessing that a ATI HD4670 is bare minimum which disappointing because it suggests a machine that's only 1 year old can't cope.

Actually, I'm not an expert at any of this so can some one confirm, do I need to revert the TV server component, the Client component or both?
C

I dunno what's written on pg7 and 13 on ATI HD4550, but in my case it worked utterly flawless. I've been watching 1080i HDTV ( discovery HD, Sky sports HD, Sky Cinema HD) with vector adaptive deinterlacing settings.
No frame drops, no stuttering.
SO you can go on with a passively cooled, low profile HD 4550.

just my 2 cents

 

[Callumgw]

I dunno what's written on pg7 and 13 on ATI HD4550, but in my case it worked utterly flawless. I've been watching 1080i HDTV ( discovery HD, Sky sports HD, Sky Cinema HD) with vector adaptive deinterlacing settings.
No frame drops, no stuttering.
SO you can go on with a passively cooled, low profile HD 4550.

just my 2 cents

mmmm interesting. For my HD4350 I had a look at my frames and speeds last night (using Shift1). For both 720p and 1080i I get a return of 25FPS achieving 24.XXFPS 0 frames dropped and between 1-15 for jitter. The 720p image is beautiful, but the 1080i image is awful, like the "ghosted" image shown by pilehave that I quoted above. I've tried ATI de-interlacing settings of "bob", "auto" and the best one. I have had MP with de-interlacing turned off and with best. I have tried two codecs: MPC and FFDShow. My Samsung series9 is set to "Just Scan", so it's not fiddly with the image. The Denon AVR2809 is just passing on the 1080 as far as I can tell. I'm running Catalyst 9.8 and the lasted Hauppauge tuner drivers for the HVR1300. I don't have a Bluray so can't investigate that way...
I was thinking about trying the SAF codec pack.
Any chance you could give me some of your ATI and MP settings and what codecs your using so I can try those?

Cheers,
C

 

[ichessblumen]

Callumgw,

just give the ATI 4550 a try. As I can see, you can't set the ati 4350 to vector adaptive deinterlacing in the catalyst control center. Then my logical suggestion would be that this card is not capable to do so. That's the reason for

For the settings: TV: h.264 codec is power dvd ( best I've ever tried) If youhaven't got that...google for HD pack 2.1 or 2.1. that'll do. just install that pdvd 8 codec and uncheck all others.
enable aero (if you have vista). in ccc look under 3D>all settings> set "wait for vertical refresh" to quality (always on).choose renderer evr. (if your os is vista.

hope that helps....

 

[Andrew H]

You're mentioning a HD4350 and they're talking the HD4550. Also, it may be helpful if you fill in your MySystem so we can get a better flavor of your configuration.

 

[Callumgw]

Yeah, I know about the 4350 vs 4550, other people have said a 4550 doesn't work and I have 4350 which doesn't work (and checked the things I listed). I would have hoped a 4350 should work...after all it is supposedly a HD card. ichessblumen reckons his 4550 works, so maybe mine will too with the correct settings...Otherwise I need to find a new card, revert to 1.0 or try myth again............

I'll fill out the my system thing

C