Media Portal being sold on ebay!! ?? (1 Viewer)

[sigh]

Well, since our Mr. Knowitall is such a clever boy, he has achived at least ONE goal. He's pissed me off. What means, i can afford, to sell the software for, let's say, one dollar, or whatever will cover my cost on Ebay.
Well, young man, let's see, who has more balls, you or me. We have freedom of speech, right? And the right to the total capitalism, right also? So, we will have some fun together.

*shrug* good luck in your venture!

 

[spachti]

Well, "shrug", i can afford it, can you?

 

[Callifo]

Spachti: The GPL does allow selling of the software for the cost of distribution so Im as far as that goes he's legally not doing anything wrong. Morally is another story. If people were pushing the limits on whats an acceptable 'buck' to make then we wouldnt have such a problem. Whether you make a good profit and donate almost all of it to the team or make only a small profit and keep it for youself is up to you.

If you say charged $10 for it all (afterall, putting the URL in there would stop the majority of people buying it because they do not realise its available elsewhere. $10 would cover, cd + case, and postage + petrol I suppose), that would be at least half profit which you could keep for yourself for the small amount of effort. But charging something like $25, would be over the top and I would see the majority of it as a donation.

Worst Ive seen is someone selling copies and making over $150 in profit from a few sales which is definately wrong in my mind. It just erks me that not one of the sellers will place the MP link in there for people to examine beforehand, which shows an obvious intention to profit.

Ive heard it mentioned before that ebay requires you to claim the software as yours which might produce a problem on your end if you dont. Cant hurt to try though.

 

[spachti]

@ Callifo,
i can see your point. BUT, i know, i'm an ass, there is a but, if i would put the URL in, there are people out, who could actually bring down your server, if i'm spitting in their soup.
Generally, i'm a portal user myself, and i love the software. But to see, how some of these crooks are trying, to make a fast buck with it, simply pisses me off.
Regarding owning the software, this is one of the questions, i've had on page 4.

Edit:
Well, i should have started with the editing, before writing the posting 8)
If i would put the URL in my offer, i mean Ebay is not stupid enough, to see, i'm actually not a seller. Especially since Mr. Makeabuck would point that out to them. What do you think?

 

[pieroxy]

If calling me a bad person makes you sleep better, fine by me! I'm the one here being open and trying to bring a resolution. You however, offer nothing of any value.

If you want people to respect you, I think you should start by respecting people. When I told you you don't mention Media Portal on you ad, you responded that I must be sick because I can't see what's in front of me. I re-read you auction, and indeed the fine print was there. What you failed to mention, however, is that my remark was true only a week before.

So instead of insulting me (because, mind you, I did read the full auction a week or two before answering), you could have stengthended your case by saying that you did change the auction content realizing this. In short, instead of showing bad faith, you could have shown good faith.

That would have shown anyone here that you were open for discussion and improvement. But I guess it suited you better to just ridiculize me.

Spachti: The GPL does allow selling of the software for the cost of distribution so Im as far as that goes he's legally not doing anything wrong.

Sorry to break your illusion here, but the GPL allow selling the software for anything you see fit, not just the cost of distribution.

Worst Ive seen is someone selling copies and making over $150 in profit from a few sales which is definately wrong in my mind. It just erks me that not one of the sellers will place the MP link in there for people to examine beforehand, which shows an obvious intention to profit.

Well, as usual, people that make profit are depicted as the devil himself. Why is that? When I go to work every day, I improve a software that was written by others. And yet I make a profit out of it, every single day. The GPL was written with the same idea in mind. It is explicitely free to anyone to distribute it and make money out of it.

So people making money out of a GPL software are actually people that respect the GPL as it was intended to be used.

From the FSF's website:
Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible -- just enough to cover the cost.

Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.

Ive heard it mentioned before that ebay requires you to claim the software as yours which might produce a problem on your end if you dont. Cant hurt to try though.

Mind you, the software is his to distribute. It's GPL open source, so it's here for everyone to distribute. You don't need to own something to distribute it, you just need to own the rights to distribute it.

 

[sigh]

I'm not asking for anyone to respect me or for you to like me or what I do! I came here asking for a solution! You want to talk about good faith? Look at the way people talk to me and the things they call me? Then look at how I speak to people here. Now, tell me I'm not being the civil and respectful one! (pieroxy, you have been very open but civil and that's all I ask)

I feel this has been discussed enough on my part, if anyone has something of positive value to say then feel free, otherwise I've said all there is to say.

 

[spachti]

I think, he's right. The talking is done.
I will wait, until i have the ok, or not, from one of the "makers" here. 8)

 

[pieroxy]

I'm not asking for anyone to respect me or for you to like me or what I do! I came here asking for a solution! You want to talk about good faith? Look at the way people talk to me and the things they call me? Then look at how I speak to people here. Now, tell me I'm not being the civil and respectful one! (pieroxy, you have been very open but civil and that's all I ask)

I feel this has been discussed enough on my part, if anyone has something of positive value to say then feel free, otherwise I've said all there is to say.

I don't care how people talk at you. Most of them never read the GPL, and yet they jump on anything making a profit out of someone else's hard work. Not even their own. Not even knowing how the people doing the hard work see it.

The problem at hand is that you just lied to me (mind you, hiding the truth is also a lie), and then you come back saying "Now, tell me I'm not being the civil and respectful one" when it comes to others.

I do respet your right to seel MP on ebay. But misrepresenting the software is still a bad thing, if not legally, morally, between you and your customers. What pisses people off (I think) is that a bunch of your customers will be lured into thinking they are buying a stable software (cause you never say it's beta), buying an OS (Well, your auction title starts with Windows XP)... So they will be deceived about Media Portal, and they didn't need to be.

You say you are ready to do anything positive, they just stop lying (by omission) in your auction.

That's a simple fact, will you do it?

 

[sigh]

I don't care how people talk at you. Most of them never read the GPL, and yet they jump on anything making a profit out of someone else's hard work. Not even their own. Not even knowing how the people doing the hard work see it.

Correct, most everyone here is very ignorant to the facts (including yourself), something I've been saying from the start.

The problem at hand is that you just lied to me (mind you, hiding the truth is also a lie), and then you come back saying "Now, tell me I'm not being the civil and respectful one" when it comes to others.

Lied about what?!? And who do you think you are to judge me?!?! You believe you are so perfect, are you not human? You must be some kind of God!? No? You people are funny!

I do respet your right to seel MP on ebay. But misrepresenting the software is still a bad thing, if not legally, morally, between you and your customers.

Does MP not ONLY run on Windows XP?? I thought so!

What pisses people off (I think) is that a bunch of your customers will be lured into thinking they are buying a stable software (cause you never say it's beta),

Which shows how misguided some of you are! Re-read previous post, people are going to start selling MP! LOL you guys are a joke! You are starting to do exactly what you are bi*%hing about! Quite amusing, really! Just a bunch of people who don't even know what they are pissed about.

buying an OS (Well, your auction title starts with Windows XP)...

And if you assumed this I would call you a stupid consumer. Do a search for Windows Xp, see how many products that show up which are not Windows XP. Probably because a lot of software runs on Windows XP!

Face it, you can't stop what is!

Look, I'm done with you clowns as none of you have any clout in this community to be making a fuss, most of you seem to be passer by's who are jumping on the passing bandwagon! It's been an entertaining day for me, and I hope by now some of you are just royaly pissed off and get a very painful ulcer.

I on the other hand will be swimming in my dollar sign $ shaped, heated, indoor swimming pool, on my 250ft Yacht, drinking martini's and eating caviar! All thanks to Media Portal!!!

 

[pieroxy]

That's a simple fact, will you do it?

sigh, where's your answer to that question?