SAF v4.00 ''stable'' (StandAlone Filters) - DXVA ready (H.264 and VC-1). (3 Viewers)

Should i integrate FFDshow in to SAF?

  • Yes

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  • No

    Votes: 69 14.5%

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joz

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I have the same issue as Synthetic.
As he pointed out it's not just online videos it's also my trailers - game trailers part.

For me (on XP) I see parts of the MP Gui scrambled across the screen however I do hear sound and that works just ok. Dunno what's up with this. I'm thinking the same as Synthetic, that this started happening after installing SAF. Not sure why. If you want I can deinstall SAF and test to make sure.
 

hoborg

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I have the same issue as Synthetic.
As he pointed out it's not just online videos it's also my trailers - game trailers part.

For me (on XP) I see parts of the MP Gui scrambled across the screen however I do hear sound and that works just ok. Dunno what's up with this. I'm thinking the same as Synthetic, that this started happening after installing SAF. Not sure why. If you want I can deinstall SAF and test to make sure.
Nothing from SAF is in use when you playing WMV videos (Game trailers) on XP.



EDIT:
But not all failed to play, for example "Newest DS" are working fine.

Code:
2009-09-30 10:06:46.484375 [Info.][MPMain]: VideoPlayer:play http://www.gametrailers.com/download/57016/t_ninjags2_vr_gt.wmv
2009-09-30 10:06:46.546875 [Info.][MPMain]: VideoPlayerVMR9: Enabling DX9 exclusive mode
2009-09-30 10:06:46.546875 [Debug][MPMain]: Main: Received DX exclusive mode switch message. Fullscreen && maximized == False
2009-09-30 10:06:46.593750 [Info.][MPMain]: VMR9: added Video Mixing Renderer 9 to graph
2009-09-30 10:06:46.609375 [Debug][MPMain]: VMR9: SetDeinterlacePrefs()
2009-09-30 10:06:46.609375 [Debug][MPMain]: VMR9: Enabled YUV mixing - No DX Error
2009-09-30 10:06:46.625000 [Debug][MPMain]: VRM9: Turning on nonsquare mixing - No DX Error
2009-09-30 10:06:46.625000 [Debug][MPMain]: VRM9: Set filter mode - Gaussian Quad Filtering No DX Error
2009-09-30 10:06:46.625000 [Debug][MPMain]: VMR9: Now active
2009-09-30 10:06:46.640625 [Debug][MPMain]: VMR9: Renderer successfully added
2009-09-30 10:06:46.687500 [Info.][MPMain]: added filter:WMVideo Decoder DMO to graph
2009-09-30 10:06:46.734375 [Info.][MPMain]: added filter:WMAudio Decoder DMO to graph
BTW, i downloaded video to disc and even MPC-HC will crash when opening the video, graphstudio do the same.
Can it have some DRM protection?

Hmm, it is VC-1 video...

Code:
General
Complete name                    : F:\MP\_videa\wmv_t_ninjags2_vr_gt.wmv
Format                           : Windows Media
File size                        : 80.2 MiB
Duration                         : 9mn 33s
Overall bit rate                 : 1 173 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate         : 1 135 Kbps
Encoded date                     : UTC 2009-09-30 02:40:11.000

Video
ID                               : 1
Format                           : VC-1
Format profile                   : MP
Codec ID                         : WMV3
Codec ID/Info                    : Windows Media Video 9
Codec ID/Hint                    : WMV3
Description of the codec         : Windows Media Video 9 - 2-pass VBR
Duration                         : 9mn 32s
Bit rate                         : 1 000 Kbps
Width                            : 640 pixels
Height                           : 360 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 29.970 fps
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.145
Stream size                      : 68.3 MiB (85%)

Audio
ID                               : 2
Format                           : WMA2
Codec ID                         : 161
Codec ID/Info                    : Windows Media Audio 2
Description of the codec         : Windows Media Audio 9 - 128 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo CBR
Duration                         : 9mn 33s
Bit rate                         : 128 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Sampling rate                    : 44.1 KHz
Resolution                       : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 8.75 MiB (11%)
EDIT 2:
You can download WMV video and use "gdsmux.exe" from Haali to convert WMV to MKV.
But even MKV will crash too, no idea why.

EDIT 3:
Another test reveal the problem.
I muxed WMV to MKV but this time i leave only Video in MKV container - and quest what? It is working!
So the problem is audio track, not video!
 

joz

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Thanks hoborg for investigating.

Ofcourse you are right and totally is unrelated to SAF but :D anyway spending some time finding the source. I think gametrailers just provides crappy encoded wmv, always has, but I guess it's worse for the last couple of months.
Why don't onlinevideos or my trailers use mov I'm not sure since that's also available for most videos.
 

tomoqv

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I hear what you are saying Hoborg, but it sounds a little bit weird / unusual.

It is working normally if you install SAF and then QT things.
If it is done the other way around, I need to rename things... Isnt it easier for me to do it like the first option? or are there downsides to that..?
Of course it will be working, but say goodbay to DXVA in MOV files....
Apparantly I too am having poor reading skills...


One question, though, what about MOV files in e.g. Online Videos as they can't be renamed before streaming? I have relatively limited knowledge about different video formats and containers. Is DXVA important also for MOVSD or only for h.264?
Sorry for my uninformed questions, but I am a little bit confused about DXVA. On the MPC-HC homepage it states:
Unfortunately the MPC-HC decoder only supports the "bitstream mode" at this stage, which means that only the most recent graphic cards are supported :

* nVidia series 8(9)xxx for H.264 only
* ATI Radeon HD series for H.264 and VC-1 decoding
I don't have better than nvidia 7050 in any of machines. Therefore it seems that DXVA is not an option for me with SAF, am I right? Or will DXVA kick in with some other codec?
 

hoborg

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I don't have better than nvidia 7050 in any of machines. Therefore it seems that DXVA is not an option for me with SAF, am I right? Or will DXVA kick in with some other codec?
Of course if you do not have DXVA compatible GPU, this feature is useless for you :)
 

joz

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tomoqv: no DXVA support on those series, so DXVA will never work with any codec on those chips.

----edit----
Hoborg beat me to it :)
 

hoborg

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Thanks hoborg for investigating.

Ofcourse you are right and totally is unrelated to SAF but :D anyway spending some time finding the source. I think gametrailers just provides crappy encoded wmv, always has, but I guess it's worse for the last couple of months.
Why don't onlinevideos or my trailers use mov I'm not sure since that's also available for most videos.
If you are on XP, you can disable MS DMO video decoder by renaming "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{82d353df-90bd-4382-8bc2-3f6192b76e34}"key in registry.
This should make Game trailers working using FFDshow decoder.

EDIT:
Added in to SAF 4.00beta17
 

Ticiano

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Hoborg, Arcsoft Total Theater does it in realtime. It just gets the Dolby True HD audio, convert it and send it like a DTS bitstream via SPDIF to the receiver. :)
 

joz

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:D again Hoborg, that tip works great for me!!!
 

hoborg

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Hoborg, Arcsoft Total Theater does it in realtime. It just gets the Dolby True HD audio, convert it and send it like a DTS bitstream via SPDIF to the receiver. :)
You can configure AC3 filter to do it similar (known as double decoding), just do not ask me how to configue AC3... (try to set in AC3 config - system - prefer AC3 filter).

:D again Hoborg, that tip works great for me!!!
SAF 4.00 beta17

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